Interesting event the other night at William Mitchell. A panel discussion titled, “A Strange Bond: The CIA and the Cinema”, with two ex-CIA guys, the CIA’s current acting chief counsel, (he’ll soon have a formal confirmation hearing), uber-author, Mark Bowden, (“Blackhawk Down”, “Killing Pablo”, “Guests of the Ayatollah”) and Star Tribune film critic, Colin Covert.
The tone of the event, which filled Billy Mitchell’s auditorium, was one of fraternal bonhomie more than any searing examination of the CIA’s role in Iraq or other foreign adventure. Along with enjoying the sight of a newspaper guy more than holding his own among such a rarefied crowd, when it was over there was an opportunity to ask the CIA types for their assessment of the work of Seymour Hersh.
Hersh has been doing some of the best work of his long career digging out the “hows” of the manipulated intelligence that validated the Bush administration’s targeting of Saddam Hussein. His October 2003 article, “The Stovepipe”, remains, to my thinking, the most illuminative explanation so far of how the deal went down.
(Inside journalism, it is also worth noting that Hersh, whose stories out of he CIA and the Pentagon are dense with anonymous, unidentified sources — the sort of thing that would never pass muster at either local daily — has fared quite well under the test of time.)
As the panel broke up, I asked John Rizzo, the dapper, soon to be CIA chief counsel, and a lifelong CIA man, what he thought of Hersh’s work? Certainly if Hersh had blundered anywhere a legal guy/company guy like Rizzo would both know about it and be only too happy to set the record straight.
“Overall quite good,” was his capsule review. “It seems to me he is returning to the same sources over and over again. I have a problem with that, in that not everyone at CIA is as unhappy as his sources seem to be. But in general, good.”
There was no, “But Hersh really screwed up on … .”
One of Rizzo’s panel-mates was Paul Kelbaugh, a retired CIA chief legal counsel. “Pretty impressive,” was his take.
Both men were at CIA during the term of George Tenet, the Clinton-appointee/Bush holdover who fairly or not has been tarred with
CIA failures both in the period prior to 9-11 and then again with the whole weapons of mass destruction fiasco. Surprisingly, for a guy the Bush administration has maneuvered to look like a loser, both Rizzo and Kelbaugh speak highly of Tenet, Kelbaugh in particular. A terrific manager. Worked hard and spent the time to know his people as people. Regularly interacted with the staff, etc.
Based on the work of Bob Woodward, Tenet’s obituary will undoubtably include the phrase, “slam dunk”, which is how Woodward describes Tenet assuring George W. Bush about the existence of WMD in Iraq.
In his (excellent) book, “The One Percent Solution”, Ron Suskind paints a rather more sympathetic picture of both Tenet and the “slam dunk” comment. In fact, Suskind treats Tenet so sympathetically — echoing some of what Rizzo and Kelbaugh say — it is often presumed that Tenet was a primary source.
Not so, says Rizzo, who ought to know. “It wasn’t Tenet.” He says Suskind approached the CIA for permission to interview several people, and, as Rizzo describes it, “had possession of some sensitive information”, which he used to bargain for the people he wanted to talk to. But not Tenet, according to Rizzo.
In fact, Tenet’s own book on his CIA years, under Clinton pre-9/11, and under Bush pre- and post-Iraq will soon be published. As chief counsel Rizzo had to give it the security once-over.
“Quite the read,” he said with a thin smile that could almost be read as contented. “Quite a read.”
As I say, Colin Covert, the Strib’s film critic played well with the panel as they talked the CIA image in the movies. In fact, Covert got off the best line of the night when the panel’s moderator A. John Radsan, a former assistant counsel at the CIA and now an associate prof at Billy Mitchell, asked Covert if he had a question he’d like to ask anyone else on the panel.
Covert paused. Hmmm. Hollywood. The CIA. Together. “If you think of Hollywood working with the CIA as a pact with the devil,” he asked, “which one is the devil?”
Big laugh.
A calendar note: On April 17, Kerri Miller of MPR will moderate a panel on, “Islam and the West”. It will include Seyyed Hossein Nasr, professor of Islamic Studies at George Washington University. If his name is familiar, it may be because of recent glowing reviews for the book, “The Shia Revival”, written by his son, Vali Nasr.
These panels are free, but you must “register” to attend.